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Are you being cheated on Full Pay Video Poker?

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "morriemansell" <morriemansell@...>
wrote:

Have the casinos found some way to alter the payouts, so that you
are not getting the play they have advertised? I thought each
machine was a stand-alone box, but now I'm finding out that they

are

tied into a central computer managed by the casino. With the Nevada
Gaming Commission unable to verify if the machines have been
compromised or biased in some way, are you sure those are "OVER

100%

PAYOUT" games you are playing?

I don't have any specific information, but there IS valid reason to
doubt that any machines have been intentionally " . . . compromised
or biased . . .".
To accomplish any such, casino managements would need to issue
instructions--almost certainly written--to the technicians who would
actually modify the machines. Once any technician WERE in possession
of such instructions, he would be well-placed to blackmail
management; demanding "hush money" to refrain from contacting the
Gaming Commission. Not to mention a technician "misunderstanding"
verbal instructions, increasing the payout percentage to perhaps
105%, etc.
Seems like too much risk for the potential gain . .

I don't know if one can "learn" to enjoy a game. Lots of people
(myself included) won't play JOB because it is so boring. At least
Deuces has one nice jackpot besides the RF. I find that anytime I am
holding even 2 deuces, it is a little exciting. Maybe you could
concentrate on that.

George in SF

Deuces sounds like the game of choice for most players here, so I've

taken

the time to try to learn the game. However, I find that I have a lot of
trouble dealing with getting a natural four of a kind, and only

getting paid

a pittance for it. Can someone help me learn to enjoy this

game!?!?! :slight_smile:

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Nathan O. Roemer" <public@...> wrote:

If you were seriously ill or opting for elective treatment, i believe that you would not want to
be forced to use the health system that the Canadian government so generously provides for
its citizens.

.....bl

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "jd_weber" <jd_weber@...> wrote:

Well, they give all their citizens health insurance, too, and we
apparently can't.

<smile> Next time try Bonus Deuces.

.....bl

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Nathan O. Roemer" <public@...> wrote:

Deuces sounds like the game of choice for most players here, so I've taken
the time to try to learn the game. However, I find that I have a lot of
trouble dealing with getting a natural four of a kind, and only getting paid
a pittance for it. Can someone help me learn to enjoy this game!?!?! :slight_smile:

I ran 32,000 sims of 250,000 hands of FPDW on Dunbar's Risk Analyzer
for Video Poker and found that 1.7% of the time you'd lose more than
$4000. 6 of those 32,000 trials (0.02%) resulted in a loss of over
$8000.

If you started with a $2200 bankroll, you'd go broke 21% of the time
before playing 250,000 hands of 25c FPDW. Nearly 3% of the time
you'd go bust before 50,000 hands were played.

--Dunbar

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vpFae" <vpFae@...> wrote:

> Just ran a simulation of 250,000 hands of FPDW on WinPoker for a
> return of 99.29% and a loss of $22,000 (quarter based.)

For quarters it's a loss of around $2,200.

vpFae

There are two issues being conflated here. I have no doubt that NVGC
can't test how a machine works in the field. That would require that the
machine be capable of having the test equipment plugged in to bypass
the keys and play the machine. All they can do in the field is inspect
the machine, look at the meters, and verify the eproms. However, they
can pull the eproms and verify that the program on it is the correct one.
I once saw NVGC doing an audit at a strip casino and they had the
main circuit board out and appeared to be removing the eprom. It's
pretty easy to do a compare to a known good chip, and could be done
in the field.

They have much better capabilities at their labs. The NVGC requires all
software based-slot machines (incl. video poker) have the entire source
code be provided to them, along with the eproms, and what appears to
be sufficient information to be sure that the eprom has the correct
program on it. They can then test the code in their labs to be sure it is
fair. (Much of this is on their website.)

So, they can do thorough tests before they approve the machine, then
can verify that the machines in the field match what they approved.

Edmund

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On 8/10/07, morriemansell <morriemansell@yahoo.com> wrote:

I called the Nevada Gaming Commission to determine how they verified
the payouts on the machines. Much to my surprise I found out that
they had no objective way to determine if the machines were paying
out according to the pay tables and game statistics. They simply
looked at coin-in vs coin-out (which can vary substantially,
depending on the quality of play), the various meters that recorded
the different payouts for different hands, they checked the e-prom
chip to insure that it was the original one certified and installed
by the manufacturer, and did an overall visual inspection of the
machine. I asked if they placed a computer inside the machine to
simulate actual play (with computer accuracy) and played a couple of
million hands. By tracking the results of perfect play by the
computer the Gaming Commission technicians could confirm the
accuracy and payback of the machine. No, they did not have the
equipment to do that, they said.

Deuces sounds like the game of choice for most players here, so I've

taken

the time to try to learn the game. However, I find that I have a lot of
trouble dealing with getting a natural four of a kind, and only

getting paid

a pittance for it. Can someone help me learn to enjoy this

game!?!?! :slight_smile:

Deuce Deluxe pays for a natural 4 of a kind.... there are two $1 sigma
machines in Reno at John Asquaga's Nugget. DDlx is basically NSUD
with the 5ok paying 15/75 instead of 16/80, but paying 10/50 for a
natural 4OK and 50/250 for a natural SF.

There might even be a few of these machines in Laughlin…Maybe some
of the other VP players can clue us in on where any other Deuce Deluxe
machines are???

I dont misspell words, I type with an accent

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Nathan O. Roemer" <public@...> wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "William Canevari" <wcanevari@...>
wrote:

>
> Deuces sounds like the game of choice for most players here, so

I've

taken
> the time to try to learn the game. However, I find that I have a

lot of

> trouble dealing with getting a natural four of a kind, and only
getting paid
> a pittance for it. Can someone help me learn to enjoy this
game!?!?! :slight_smile:
>

Deuce Deluxe pays for a natural 4 of a kind.... there are two $1

sigma

machines in Reno at John Asquaga's Nugget. DDlx is basically NSUD
with the 5ok paying 15/75 instead of 16/80, but paying 10/50 for a
natural 4OK and 50/250 for a natural SF.

There might even be a few of these machines in Laughlin....Maybe

some

of the other VP players can clue us in on where any other Deuce

Deluxe

machines are???

I dont misspell words, I type with an accent

One other note: Full Pay Deuces Deluxe is 9 for one rather than 10
for one on the SF so the game is really "Airport" or "Illinois"
deuces but the extras for the natural quads and SF add 1.4%.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Nathan O. Roemer" <public@> wrote:

I have a question about the numbers. I don't recall, but did "morrie" give any indication as to whether he quit a given session due to exhaustion of his bankroll or his money management system? If that were the case, then the math would be fouled-up. For example, the risk of ruin with $12,000.00 playing 5 coins-in at a $1 full pay deuces wild is a little more than 20%. If you hit that 1-in-5, you would have a loss of $12,000.00 for that "session" regardless of the number of hands played. If "morrie" had 1 or more sessions in which he was forced to stop play due to "ruin", then the probabilities are completely different than the sims and the straight math would indicate because he would have 1 or more sessions end at an arbitrary (from a mathematical standpoint) point in time when he was down significantly. The results would no longer be a true random sampling of "x" hands.

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From: "Harry Porter" <harry.porter@verizon.net>
Reply-To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Are you being cheated on Full Pay Video Poker?
Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 01:12:14 -0000

Curtis Rich wrote (quoting George):
> "It's all in the number of royals and other rare hands and that's a
> matter of luck."
>
> That was VERY well put!
>
> Like it or not, video poker is still a game of CHANCE.

This is the third of 3 successive posts that what's at play in
"morrie"s adverse play report merely involves luck.

Not to be rude, but "read my lips": In this case, this is akin to
saying that someone's being struck by lightning is merely a matter of
luck, despite the fact that they were standing in the middle of a vast
empty field holding onto a 20 ft steel pole (mind you, I'm not citing
this as analogous to "morrie"s misfortune -- it's just another case
where someone writing the experience off to dumb luck is almost
entirely wildly off base.

The thing that distinguishes "morrie"s experience from the suggestion
above is that he's specifically EXCLUDED "royals and other royal
hands" from the play statistics in measuring up his results against
expectations.

I realize that the math involved is dry as a bone and entirely
uninteresting. But if "morrie" is talking about a track record of
400K+ hands he's reporting a worse than a "one in a million" event.

Now, no doubt he could simply be the taking the brunt of a cruel joke
of the universe. Some poor soul is going to be hit by lightning twice
in their life for no cause other than being in the wrong place twice.
  But the odds are so extreme here that one has put blinders on if you
come to grips with the math and yet don't find good reason to find the
casino suspect -- provided that you accept all other information as fact.

I won't debate anyone that should choose to question the facts as
reported. However, dumb luck doesn't cut it here.

- Harry

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At the risk of initiating further debate on the medicare or some
other "related" issue, I'll provide the following quote from a
subsequent email from AGCO:

"The Alcohol and Gaming Commission of Ontario (AGCO) conducts
inspections on and approves all electronic gaming equipment before it
is made available for patron play, including any changes that are made
after the original installation of the equipment. AGCO enforcement
officers also conduct random inspections of the electronic gaming
equipment on an ongoing and regular basis."

Does this all make the system foolproof? Of course not. But it is
better than nothing at all.

Neil

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mroejacks" <rgmustain@...> wrote:

I suspect this means that the machines can be tested in a lab but not
in a casino. Once tested the chips are somehow secured to insure no
tampering. Does this mean the system is foolproof? I doubt it.

I doubt these inspections would involve any testing. Just checking to
make sure whatever method used to secure the chips had not been
violated.

Dick

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "neilemb" <nembree@...> wrote:

after the original installation of the equipment. AGCO enforcement
officers also conduct random inspections of the electronic gaming
equipment on an ongoing and regular basis."

so a loss of about 6,400 with approximately 845,000 coin in is still
a reasonable result...an unfortunate but reasonable result...

>
> > Just ran a simulation of 250,000 hands of FPDW on WinPoker for a
> > return of 99.29% and a loss of $22,000 (quarter based.)
>
> For quarters it's a loss of around $2,200.
>
> vpFae
>

I ran 32,000 sims of 250,000 hands of FPDW on Dunbar's Risk

Analyzer

for Video Poker and found that 1.7% of the time you'd lose more

than

$4000. 6 of those 32,000 trials (0.02%) resulted in a loss of over
$8000.

If you started with a $2200 bankroll, you'd go broke 21% of the

time

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "dunbar_dra" <h_dunbar@...> wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vpFae" <vpFae@> wrote:
before playing 250,000 hands of 25c FPDW. Nearly 3% of the time
you'd go bust before 50,000 hands were played.

--Dunbar

I think we're getting a little off track here again. The problem
isn't so much the overall return, it's the return of NON-JACKPOT
hands (WRF and below). The only way to simulate this is to set the
payback for quad ducks and the RF to zero. I doubt you can get this
more than 1% off for 200K hands very often if at all.

Dick

so a loss of about 6,400 with approximately 845,000 coin in is

still

a reasonable result...an unfortunate but reasonable result...

>
> >
> > > Just ran a simulation of 250,000 hands of FPDW on WinPoker

for a

> > > return of 99.29% and a loss of $22,000 (quarter based.)
> >
> > For quarters it's a loss of around $2,200.
> >
> > vpFae
> >
>
> I ran 32,000 sims of 250,000 hands of FPDW on Dunbar's Risk
Analyzer
> for Video Poker and found that 1.7% of the time you'd lose more
than
> $4000. 6 of those 32,000 trials (0.02%) resulted in a loss of

over

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "lv_nv_realtor" <irdd@...> wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "dunbar_dra" <h_dunbar@> wrote:
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vpFae" <vpFae@> wrote:
> $8000.
>
> If you started with a $2200 bankroll, you'd go broke 21% of the
time
> before playing 250,000 hands of 25c FPDW. Nearly 3% of the time
> you'd go bust before 50,000 hands were played.
>
> --Dunbar
>

I've had a bit of trouble posting here the past few days.

It's very interesting how many people have accepted the statements made at face value, both the statistics quoted and the information from Nevada Gaming.

The chips are tested exactly the same way in Nevada as described below. I'm not sure of the technical details (not being a hardware guy myself) but I have an acquaintance who has worked both for the Nevada Board and the lab they use to test game chips. I am told that it would be extremely difficult to change out anything of the boards in the machine without it being detectable by the Gaming Inspectors. If the quote is accurate, by saying that they verify the chip is the original factory chip they are actually talking about the entire circuitry of the machine, because that is what they do do. It is inconceivable that secondary programming could be inserted into the machines and no one catches it.

There is no need to run the kind of tests the original poster advocated on the casino floor because those tests were run in the lab before the game was approved. If the boards are all original and not tampered with then the games will run as originally proven.

The comparison to Enron is so absurd as to almost not require response but I'll make a couple of points:
         1. The fraud did not require messing with hardware, it was a conspiracy among individuals.
         2. The fraud generated billions, not the thousands that gaffing a few full-pay machines would generate.
         3. Most casino management is greedy and not very knowledgeable. However, they wouldn't risk their licenses for a very small additional return. In fact, their attitudes can be summed up: "We make enough money, we don't need to put in modern analytic techniques to help us make more money. However, we won't stand for someone to take advantage of us and win consistently".

It is entirely possible that some of them would be crooked if they could get away with it. NOT Sam's Town. I know some of the management personally and they would never consider it necessary to cheat since they can make enough money doing what they are doing to earn themselves very healthy bonuses each year. A single operator might be stupid enough to gaffe the machines but not the large corporations that control almost all the good properties today.

Bill

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At 09:19 AM 8/12/2007, you wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mroejacks" <rgmustain@...> wrote:

> . I'm very concerned that the
> NGC has no way to verify these machines match expected results. A
> completely unintentional bug might pass right through their testing
> process.

Following is a response I recently receive from the Alcohol and
Gaming Commission of Ontario (AGCO) regarding video poker machines in
Ontario:

"The AGCO regulates the gaming industry in Ontario , including
testing for the technical integrity, security and safety of all
electronic gaming machines operating in Ontario gaming facilities.
The AGCO requires 'cards' in video poker machines be dealt in a
completely random manner. The randomness of the video poker "cards"
in a deal is verified by various statistical tests, such as frequency
test, "poker" tests and Kolmogorov-Smirnof test. The randomness of
the winning combinations is verified by a statistical test
called "goodness of fit"."

It seems odd to me that what Ontario can apparently do, Nevada can't.

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My first trip to play deuces wild resulted in 2 royals at two different casinos within a half
hour.

My trip before last, I had a run of something like two wild royals, a four deuces, and a 5 of
a kind in 4 straight hands. I had 4 four deuces within a couple of hours, and ran 4 bucks
to 800 during a 4 hr session...all without the royal.

My last trip, two weeks ago, I was rapping with the guy playing next to me and I hit 4
deuces. I made a comment about how I thought I had played enough hands that I felt
"due" for another (joking, of course). He gave me the odds of how often I should hit the
ducks, and 4 hands after the first set of 4 deuces, I got another on the deal. His comment:
"you have to be kidding". A few hours later my girlfriend hit a royal at a different casino.
(Her first time to play. And yes, she is a 'believer' now)

My point is...if the game is gaffed, may they keep on gaffing.

I have no doubts about major casinos in Nevada or Louisiana. I do wonder about some
indian casinos I have visited on rare occaisions.
Then again, they weren't full pay...so I probably shouldn't have been playing them in the
first place.

B

Radar detectors to avoid cops are sometime made by the folks who
sell radar to catch speeders. I wonder who makes the chip testers?
Then, who makes the machine that checks the machine that checks the
chips?

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Bill Coleman <vphobby2@...> wrote:

I've had a bit of trouble posting here the past few days.

It's very interesting how many people have accepted the statements
made at face value, both the statistics quoted and the information
from Nevada Gaming.

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difficult to change out anything of the boards

in the machine without it being detectable by the Gaming

Inspectors.

If the quote is accurate, by saying that they verify the chip is

the

original factory chip they are actually talking about the entire
circuitry of the machine, because that is what they do do. It is
inconceivable that secondary programming could be inserted into

the

machines and no one catches it.

What are they going to say? "Oh, it's really easy to gaff the games."

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         3. Most casino management is greedy and not very
knowledgeable. However, they wouldn't risk their licenses for a

very

small additional return. In fact, their attitudes can be summed

up:

"We make enough money, we don't need to put in modern analytic
techniques to help us make more money. However, we won't stand for
someone to take advantage of us and win consistently".

It is entirely possible that some of them would be crooked if they
could get away with it. NOT Sam's Town. I know some of the

management

personally and they would never consider it necessary to cheat

since

they can make enough money doing what they are doing to earn
themselves very healthy bonuses each year. A single operator might

be

stupid enough to gaffe the machines but not the large corporations
that control almost all the good properties today.

Bill

We all know large corporations are honest. However, why do we
assume nothing would be done to chip before casino gets it. For
instance; using testing regs, could one program a machine such that
it is random enough to pass muster yet might have characteristics
that might cause game to give better return for house. (This would
be grey cheating) How about this? Find a common mistake. At one time
many people would hold a kicker with a pair in JOB. A good move,
some believe, in live poker. The programer could instruct game to do
something when the mistake is noticed, by machine, 10 times. Would
the testing equipment pick up on something like this? Machine could
be instructed to lose 10 times out of the next 12 deals; after 4 6s
are dealt. Might be hard to detect something like this. (This would
be cheating) Machine might test right within limits. Just one thing
to think about and thousands of things possible. A few little
changes might make one brand of machine give house a little better
return with same paytable, thus sell many more machines than other
brands.

I DON"T THINK ANYTHING WRONG IS HAPPENING!!!

I just like to keep an open mind. You will never catch me defending
the casino. The real test is for the player to know if he is losing
or not. Player has to do his homework or just operate on blind
trust.
  
Jeep

At 09:19 AM 8/12/2007, you wrote:
>--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mroejacks" <rgmustain@> wrote:
>
> > . I'm very concerned that the
> > NGC has no way to verify these machines match expected

results. A

> > completely unintentional bug might pass right through their

testing

> > process.
>
>Following is a response I recently receive from the Alcohol and
>Gaming Commission of Ontario (AGCO) regarding video poker

machines in

>Ontario:
>
>"The AGCO regulates the gaming industry in Ontario , including
>testing for the technical integrity, security and safety of all
>electronic gaming machines operating in Ontario gaming facilities.
>The AGCO requires 'cards' in video poker machines be dealt in a
>completely random manner. The randomness of the video

poker "cards"

>in a deal is verified by various statistical tests, such as

frequency

>test, "poker" tests and Kolmogorov-Smirnof test. The randomness

of

>the winning combinations is verified by a statistical test
>called "goodness of fit"."
>
>It seems odd to me that what Ontario can apparently do, Nevada

can't.

>
>
>
>
>
>
>vpFREE Links: http://members.cox.net/vpfree/Links.htm
>
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "morriemansell" <morriemansell@...>
wrote:

I have been playing video poker in Las Vegas on Full Pay Deuces

Wild

machines for some time now. I have been tracking my "drop rate"

(the

amount of payout not including the jackpots). In FPDW that should

be

the full payout of 100.76% minus the jackpot share of 5.84% for
a "drop rate" of 94.92%. Therefore, with perfect play, for every
$1000 played into the machine, you should recover $949.20, or a

loss

of about $50, if you do not hit 4 Deuces or a Natural Royal Flush.

Coming in late on this topic, but ...

Over our last two trips to LV my wife and I played exactly 46686 (yes
I DO keep an exact count via points earned) at Sunset Station on FPDW
machines only. Our return was 103.48% thanks to 3 royals (vs the 1
expected) and 9 sets of deuces (as expected). Take away the royals
and deuces and our return was 94.487% -- close enough to the 94.922%
theoretical, particularly since neither of us play "perfect" strategy
(does anyone on deuces?). I'm close enough, at better than .9995 ER
on Winpoker and FVP, but my wife doesn't practice and can't get away
from some of her "karma" hands, so she is less than this accuracy, I
couldn't guess an exact figure but she is probably around .99 on a
penalty free strategy.

Granted this is a very small sample, only 1 royal cycle, but it's
representative of our results over the past 4 years and 12 trips in
which we have a positive return playing strictly FPDW at Station
casinos, mostly at Sunset.

I've seen nothing to lead me to believe that the FPDW is anything but
fair and random according to the pay schedule. I suspect that the
same is true of the other VP games as well.

Bill

With the Nevada
Gaming Commission unable to verify if the machines have been
compromised or biased in some way, are you sure those are "OVER 100%
PAYOUT" games you are playing?

I am more than reasonably sure that all of the machines that I play in
Nevada are exactly fair according to the paytable, the manufacturer, the
casino, and the NGC. What the commission can check and does check may be two
different things. I can only make an educated guess as to what the value of
the loss of a gaming license would be to a large publicly traded
multi-billion dollar corporation.. Because of this unwritten threat, I think
even the stupidest CEO, who would have to have many equally idiotic
co-conspirators, may think more than twice regarding any notion to tamper
with a video poker machine. That being said, I wont bore you with useless
statistics of what might happen in your game, or if your ROR is this, or the
NO is that, and please look into the PDF's and CDF's, oh my. I am amazed at
the number of posters who put significant weight into their favorite
mathematical tool, but I rarely see anything posted about long term actual
results for a specific game. We've all seen these stats on what could happen
and what should happen, but hey, what did happen? That's what I want to
know. Since Morrie focused on FPDW. I decided to pull and post my 2006
results for that game. I played 72 sessions of regular vanilla .25 FPDW for
the year, a total of 353.25 hours and 263,846 hands for a coin-in total of
$329,807.50. More than 90% of the play was at a Station's owned property. I
netted $7,752.00 profit on game play. Mathematical expectation was both
right on and way off. Based on the long term quad deuces appearance every
4909.103 hands, I should have gotten 53.75 sets, and I nailed 54 of them.
Royals wee a different story. I should have only expected 5.83 of the large
honor family to show up, but I was blessed with 10 of them. Hell, this is
almost as good as doublin' up in an all in move in no limit hold 'em. Thanks
to this continual return engagement of the large straight flush, I was able
to make $21.94 per hour just on the play of the game, and I should have
expected to earn about a third of that figure. Being over royaled is a good
thing. Don't get me wrong. Maintaining the proper bankroll for the games
that you play is vitally important. Picking a comfortable level of risk is
as well. However, trying to forecast anyone's next years results is damned
near impossible. We all know that the most likely long term result for
quarter FPDW play should be about $7.60 profit per $1,000 coin in. How many
sessions have you ever had wind up right at that figure? Most probably, the
answer is none. I like to think that I am adept enough at using all the
resources that are available, but can you put too much weight into picking
this game variance over that one, that game for it's lower royal cycle? I
certainly think so. Some seem to get way too hung up on these things. FPDW
is a fine quarter player's choice as it has medium variance, high return,
and is relatively easy to master. Is that enough to guarantee you will win?
Absolutely not. All the experts and the gaming writers that talk about the
bell curve charts, the NO's, the min. this and max. that fail to mention one
really important aspect of the game. You have to catch cards. Hopefully, the
right ones. And you have to do this at or better than the expected rate if
you want to be a long term winner. Preparation is fine, and I don't think
you can ever practice too much on the few acceptable brands of computer
software that are available. I've been playing a handful of games for years,
but I practice the main game that I will be playing that day almost every
morning, but did I mention, you have to catch cards. I spend about double
the amount of time per year that I listed above for deuces on one of the
highest % return games that I know proficiently, but the last couple of
months it's been kickin my ass. The reason? I haven't forgotten the
strategy, just not catching the cards, but I keep playing it as accurately
as I can hoping that I will start catching the cards. Yeah, I can give
myself a gold star in deuces because I know all the little nuances like
never holding a suited 8 with the T,J,Q unless my discard is an off suit K,
or like playing the K,J suited with a 9 straight penalty with a min. of 5,7
in 2 suits in the discards. So what. Once I hit the hold buttons and then
the draw,... let's all say it together, you gotta catch the cards. Let's
face it, video poker is just like what the old Kentucky thoroughbred horse
breeder said when he was asked how to become successful in the racing game.
He replied, well, first I take the best and I mate it with the best. I take
my foal and have it trained by the best. Now when I git down to puttin it in
the race, that's when I hafta to hope for the best. Are the casinos'
tampering? Well, if so they're not very good at it. My quad deuces results
were spot on and the royals almost double what they should have been. If
they were gaffed, why not bring back the Odyssey Four Play FPDW of just
6-1/2 years ago and make them available in $1, $2, and $5 denoms and just
funny up the chip. I think the Cogno answer to the tampering question would
be Highly Unlikely. Highly

Nudge

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From: "morriemansell" <morriemansell@yahoo.com>
Subject: [vpFREE] Are you being cheated on Full Pay Video Poker?