100 Facts and 1 Opinion

[three2theroyal]

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "three2theroyal"
<three2theroyal@y...> wrote:
>
> --- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "tghysel" <tghysel@y...>

wrote:

> >
> > --- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "three2theroyal"
> > <three2theroyal@y...> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "tghysel" <tghysel@y...>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > You stay the course and finish it.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Definition: stay the course = Oooops, I screwed up and don't
> know
> > > what to do without having to admit I am a failure.
> > >
> > > > A presidental quote:
> > > > "There are risks and costs to a program of
> > > > action, but they are far less than the long range
> > > > risks and costs of comfortable inaction."
> > >
> > > You are making this too easy.
> > > Here are some more presidential quotes.
> > > Thanks much morine, for opening the door to this.
> > \
> > Aaahhh sailor boy you must like the taste of your foot the way
you
> > keep sticking it in your mouth.
> > It says "a presidential quote" never mentions GWB
> > Let me give you some more of the quote. See if you can guess

who

> it
> > is. (hint:there's a clue in this one for you)
> >
> > No other challenge is more deserving of our effort and energy.
Our
> > security may be lost piece by piece, country by country."

Kennedy

> > added that under his leadership, the United States would be
> willing
> > to "pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support
any
> > friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and success of
> > liberty".
> >
> > JFKs speech on Vietnam.
> > Of course this is when Democrats had a spine.
> >
> > Perhaps we could get some of that work training money the CFPA

is

> > fighting for. Send it along to you for a few classes in

reading

> > comprehension...
> >
>
> Gee, mine just said presidential quote too!! Pretty obvious that

it

> was W, wasn't it? If you get any of that training money, forward

it

> on to bush. It would be nice if the president could speak in

full

> sentences.

ROFLMAO!!

What are you trying to say??

Hey Einstein your quotes had the dates they were quoted.
What a idiot you are.

Here's another quote you should heed.

"Better to be silent and thought a fool than to open your mouth

and

prove them right"

Actually, the above quote should read, "open your mouth and remove
all doubt". Of course I put dates on them, I attempt to verify
everything that I post. If I quote something that gerald ford said
yesterday, would that still be a presidential quote?? If you spent
as much time trying to get over your inadaquacy problems as you do
trying to best me, you would be a better man....boy....whatever.

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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "tghysel" <tghysel@y...> wrote:

[Dan_Cox]

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "pesach kremen"
<royalflush2222@h...> wrote:

There is a lot to be said on this post by three2theroyal. I

believe that if George W Bust knew how long this war would really
drag on, the high number of casualties involved, that perhaps he
might have thought differently.

What a bunch of nonsense. You heard as well as I did at the start
that it would be long, drawn out and very difficult affair, and that
American lives would be lost (Duh!) just as in any war. Those
bleeding liberals who make believe he never said that just can't take
the truth of the matter. And if you think GWB would EVER be having
second thoughts, think again. His strength is in staying the course,
and he gets the respect of every human being on earth--like him, like
the war or not--for doing what he said he was going to do....and very
firmly.

[Dan_Cox]

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "three2theroyal"
<three2theroyal@y...> wrote:

You're getting clobbered with this, but keep on burying yourself so i
can enjoy the show. Remember, I get enjoyment out of watching fool
liberals whine and groan when they lose elections, seats, and
credibility. Keep it up!! PLEASE!!!!

>
>
> You stay the course and finish it.
>

Definition: stay the course = Oooops, I screwed up and don't know
what to do without having to admit I am a failure.

> A presidental quote:
> "There are risks and costs to a program of
> action, but they are far less than the long range
> risks and costs of comfortable inaction."

You are making this too easy.
Here are some more presidential quotes.
Thanks much morine, for opening the door to this.

10) "I want you to know. Karyn is with us. A West Texas girl, just
like me." —Nashville, Tenn., May 27, 2004

9) "Then you wake up at the high school level and find out that the
illiteracy level of our children are appalling." —Washington, D.C.,
Jan. 23, 2004

8) "Free societies are hopeful societies. And free societies will

be

allies against these hateful few who have no conscience, who kill

at

the whim of a hat." —Washington, D.C., Sept. 17, 2004

7) "I want to thank the astronauts who are with us, the courageous
spacial entrepreneurs who set such a wonderful example for the

young

of our country." —Washington, D.C. Jan. 14, 2004

6) "We will make sure our troops have all that is necessary to
complete their missions.
That's why I went to the Congress last September and proposed
fundamental — supplemental funding, which is money for armor and
body parts and ammunition and fuel." —Erie, Pa., Sept. 4, 2004

5) "After standing on the stage, after the debates, I made it very
plain, we will not have an all-volunteer army. And yet, this week —
we will have an all-volunteer army!" —Daytona Beach, Fla., Oct. 16,
2004

4) "Tribal sovereignty means that; it's sovereign. I mean, you're

a —

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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "tghysel" <tghysel@y...> wrote:
you've been given sovereignty, and you're viewed as a sovereign
entity. And therefore the relationship between the federal
government and tribes is one between sovereign entities." —
Washington, D.C., Aug. 6, 2004

3) "I hear there's rumors on the Internets that we're going to have
a draft." —second presidential debate, St. Louis, Mo., Oct. 8, 2004

2) "Too many good docs are getting out of the business. Too many OB-
GYNs aren't able to practice their love with women all across this
country." —Poplar Bluff, Mo., Sept. 6, 2004

1) "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They
never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our
people, and neither do we." —Washington, D.C., Aug. 5, 2004

>
> > There is a lot to be said on this post by three2theroyal. First
of
> all
> > replying to the name calling is appropriate. There is this
> misconceptiont
> > hat being "liberal" is incorrect. In reality the viewpoint is
as
> valid as
> > being conservative.

[three2theroyal]

What a bunch of nonsense. You heard as well as I did at the start
that it would be long, drawn out and very difficult affair, and

that

American lives would be lost (Duh!) just as in any war. Those
bleeding liberals who make believe he never said that just can't

take

the truth of the matter. And if you think GWB would EVER be having
second thoughts, think again. His strength is in staying the

course,

and he gets the respect of every human being on earth

I think you are way off base on this one. We are demonized in most
of the free world and considered an aggressor nation for propagating
an unnecessary war. Just as in times past, W spends time on the
sidelines, cheering on a lost cause. As we speak, there are over
1,200 american families who mourn a dead son, husband, daughter or
mother in a cause that can't be won with current strategies. Beat
your chest all you want, you can't escape the facts or the truth.

--like him, like
the war or not--for doing what he said he was going to do....and

very

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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "deadin7" <deadin7@y...> wrote:

firmly.

[three2theroyal]

You're getting clobbered with this, but keep on burying yourself

so i

can enjoy the show. Remember, I get enjoyment out of watching fool
liberals whine and groan when they lose elections, seats, and
credibility. Keep it up!! PLEASE!!!!
>

You are a sad man, Rob. You brag about murders that you claim to
have comitted and you can't or won't even admit that there is a
possibility that things that are going on are wrong. This isn't
about the election anymore, that's over. It's about the future of
America. Liberal or conservative, we are all Americans first and
foremost, and should be more concerned about doing what's right than
staying some stupid course. Rumsfeld isn't going anywhere, he has
bush's blessing and he thinks that this war was brought about under
false pretenses. I just want to bring our troops home. If that gives
the rest of the world the idea that we can't be held to our word,
like the Nixon Vietnam fiasco, then so be it. Maybe that will
prevent this from happening again.

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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "deadin7" <deadin7@y...> wrote:

[Dan_Cox]

If I hear "... that Mr. Bush is such a good Christian man I just had
to vote for him ..." one more time I think I'll puke.

>
> Well, here it is one more time: Mr. Bush is such a good Christian
man I just had to vote for him ..."

Just as I suspected. Rob, knows nothing about the candidate he

voted for.

Wow--are you off in never-never land or WHAT! I was after the puke,
duke!

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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@a...> wrote:

[Dan_Cox]

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "three2theroyal"
<three2theroyal@y...> wrote:

> Ho Hum....For some it's just not in their character to accept
defeat, and that their twisted ideas of the country are not what

the majority feel. And what makes you so studly as you hide in your
foxhole? My service?? I've got 5 up-close kills with a blade--not
from afar in a hole. And I'm VERY proud to say 3 of the 5 were
Muslims.

Was this in Scottsdale or Vegas. What kind of OCONUS vet do you
think you are??. Ninga Rob!! Dazzle me with tales of your mac-sog
related exploits, grasshopper!! It takes a special kind of person

to kill w/ a knife and I don't think that's you. People who have had
to kill in war are generally hesitant to talk about it with family
and friends, you brag about it on the internet. You are a sorry
excuse for an American and a sorry example of a man.

What would YOU know about killing....or even combat?? And those
people you 'think' you know who are 'hesitant' to talk ' or write-
about war-time killings are of the same rotten mold that your hero
Kerry rolled out of. My son and those in his Apache squadron came
back from Iraq recently with actual night-time videos of their kills,
and none of them can stop talking about any of it. They are
deservedly proud soldiers--something you, who live in an obscure
reality of what this country means--are completely devoid of. And BTW-
-I believe it's NINJA if that's what you were trying to cook up in
your anger frenzy.

[Dan_Cox]

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "three2theroyal"
<three2theroyal@y...> wrote:

>
> What a bunch of nonsense. You heard as well as I did at the start
> that it would be long, drawn out and very difficult affair, and
that American lives would be lost (Duh!) just as in any war. Those
> bleeding liberals who make believe he never said that just can't
take the truth of the matter.

I think you are way off base on this one. We are demonized in most
of the free world and considered an aggressor nation for

propagating an unnecessary war. Just as in times past, W spends time
on the sidelines, cheering on a lost cause. As we speak, there are
over 1,200 american families who mourn a dead son, husband, daughter
or mother in a cause that can't be won with current strategies. Beat

your chest all you want, you can't escape the facts or the truth.

That's obviously a dose of liberal 'thinking' while never listening.
You're more worried what those in 'other parts of the world' think
about us than in the words spoken by your President before we went to
war. How quickly you choose to forget so you can come out and critize
when you're in agony after losing. And leave it to the liberals to
pump up messages with numbers of American deaths. If there was such
media capabilities during WWI & WWII then we'd all be speaking German
as our primary language today--as violent a language as it is. But
there is hope. The majority of Americans see past all that baloney,
we heard what the President said at the onset, and we trust him to be
doing the right things that make sense because they do. If you see it
as a lost cause that's because you want it to be a lost cause. The
fact is the people there don't see it that way, our soldiers don't,
and no sensible person would.

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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "deadin7" <deadin7@y...> wrote:

[Dan_Cox]

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "three2theroyal"
<three2theroyal@y...> wrote:

>
> You're getting clobbered with this, but keep on burying yourself
so i can enjoy the show. Remember, I get enjoyment out of watching

fool liberals whine and groan when they lose elections, seats, and

> credibility. Keep it up!! PLEASE!!!!
> >
You are a sad man, Rob. You brag about murders that you claim to
have comitted and you can't or won't even admit that there is a
possibility that things that are going on are wrong.

Since when are enemy operative killings murder? Or do you wince
whenever you step on an ant too, and say the rosary to wash away
that 'murder'?

This isn't about the election anymore, that's over.

Let's hope so. Maybe you can get racist Jesse Jackson to accept
Ohio's results. Maybe you can get fat boy Michael Moore to clam up
and accept a humiliating defeat.

It's about the future of

America. Liberal or conservative, we are all Americans first and
foremost, and should be more concerned about doing what's right

than staying some stupid course. Rumsfeld isn't going anywhere, he
has bush's blessing and he thinks that this war was brought about
under false pretenses. I just want to bring our troops home. If that
gives the rest of the world the idea that we can't be held to our
word, like the Nixon Vietnam fiasco, then so be it. Maybe that will

prevent this from happening again.

Bringing the troops home is the ultimate goal, but if we don't show
resolve over there then we'll be walked over by every budding
terrorist in the Muslim world over here--and they will get a whole
lot of strength from our withdrawal. The only language terrorist
understand and RESPECT is power and violence. you walk away then
they'll just run after you. You hide then they will find you. But if
you relentlessly chase them from cities in Iraq or anywhere else in
any part of the world, then the message is that their lives won't be
worth living with a major military always dogging them forever.
THAT's what we're doing in IRAQ, and that's why we must stay the
course. It's not pretty, and no one ever said it would be. We're in
WWIII today, and it will get worse for many years to come before it
gets better.

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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "deadin7" <deadin7@y...> wrote:

[pesach_kremen]

I agree with three2theroyal. Many do not believe that President Bush did the right thing in invading IRAQ. This is fact whether you personally agree or disagree with the President. We are beiong criticisized in many places, thuis there isn't world agreement for our actions, be they right or wrong.

The following is of note.
Money was spent on this war that the country did not have. According to many of our allies, we should have given the UN more of a chance to resolve this matter. I am not saying htat htey would have been successful, just stating that world opinion wasn't with us on our actions to invade at the time we did. I agree that many times world opinion may be lacking in doing the right thing. It is too early to tell with this one. The casualties are too high, there must be a better way. Perhaps commandos or CIA operations could have removed Saddam at a much lower cost of life. I don't know. Perhaps th eway that Israel destroyed IRAQ's nuclear capability by destrying the Osira reactor was a better way to go. For better details on this read the excellent book "Bulleye's One" that goes very deep in to what was going on with IRAQ's nuclear attempts at the time. We are in a horrible mess, and I don't beleive it is right for us to decide to send others to die when we aren't willing to do so ourselves. .Yes, we are there, and as a result, we need to find a way out of this mess ASAP qith minimal loss of life on all sides. The U.S. cannot be a world leader if we are the invader, regrdless of the reason. It was one thing in 1991 when Saddam invaded Kuwait and we went in to get him out of Kuwait. He also attacked a country at the time that wasn't even in the war(Israel). But now, we don't look good to even many of our allies as we started the attack there. The solution isn't easy, but an open discussion without conditions between all the parties involved, possible through the U.N. is a MUST! Might doesn't necessarily make right!

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From: "three2theroyal" <three2theroyal@yahoo.com>
Reply-To: FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com
To: FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FREEvpFREE] Re: 100 Facts and 1 Opinion
Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 02:14:49 -0000

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "deadin7" <deadin7@y...> wrote:
>
> What a bunch of nonsense. You heard as well as I did at the start
> that it would be long, drawn out and very difficult affair, and
that
> American lives would be lost (Duh!) just as in any war. Those
> bleeding liberals who make believe he never said that just can't
take
> the truth of the matter. And if you think GWB would EVER be having
> second thoughts, think again. His strength is in staying the
course,
> and he gets the respect of every human being on earth

I think you are way off base on this one. We are demonized in most
of the free world and considered an aggressor nation for propagating
an unnecessary war. Just as in times past, W spends time on the
sidelines, cheering on a lost cause. As we speak, there are over
1,200 american families who mourn a dead son, husband, daughter or
mother in a cause that can't be won with current strategies. Beat
your chest all you want, you can't escape the facts or the truth.

>--like him, like
> the war or not--for doing what he said he was going to do....and
very
> firmly.

[Dan_Cox]

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "pesach kremen"
<royalflush2222@h...> wrote:

I agree with three2theroyal. Many do not believe that President

Bush did the right thing in invading IRAQ.

This is your first problem that makes what you say irrelevant. You're
stating this like it's the majority opinion and it clearly,
unequivocally is not. If so, your boy Kerry would have won.

This is fact whether you personally agree

or disagree with the President. We are beiong criticisized in many

places, thuis there isn't world agreement for our actions, be they
right or wrong.

Your next problem is that you would seem to prefer we check with the
rest of the world on whether our affairs are being handled 'to their
approval' before we begin. That's a poor excuse for leadership and
dangerous to the USA. We alone are the superpower, and we alone must
make decisions based on situations that account for our well-being.

The remainder of your post deals with indecision, sour grapes, and
criticizm without merit. Remember what I said: These Muslim animals
respect power and violence only. To approach them any other way means
surrender.

The following is of note.
Money was spent on this war that the country did not have.

According to

many of our allies, we should have given the UN more of a chance to

resolve

this matter. I am not saying htat htey would have been successful,

just

stating that world opinion wasn't with us on our actions to invade

at the

time we did. I agree that many times world opinion may be lacking

in doing

the right thing. It is too early to tell with this one. The

casualties are

too high, there must be a better way. Perhaps commandos or CIA

operations

could have removed Saddam at a much lower cost of life. I don't

know.

Perhaps th eway that Israel destroyed IRAQ's nuclear capability by

destrying

the Osira reactor was a better way to go. For better details on

this read

the excellent book "Bulleye's One" that goes very deep in to what

was going

on with IRAQ's nuclear attempts at the time. We are in a horrible

mess, and

I don't beleive it is right for us to decide to send others to die

when we

aren't willing to do so ourselves. .Yes, we are there, and as a

result, we

need to find a way out of this mess ASAP qith minimal loss of life

on all

sides. The U.S. cannot be a world leader if we are the invader,

regrdless

of the reason. It was one thing in 1991 when Saddam invaded Kuwait

and we

went in to get him out of Kuwait. He also attacked a country at

the time

that wasn't even in the war(Israel). But now, we don't look good

to even

many of our allies as we started the attack there. The solution

isn't

easy, but an open discussion without conditions between all the

parties

involved, possible through the U.N. is a MUST! Might doesn't

necessarily

make right!

>From: "three2theroyal" <three2theroyal@y...>
>Reply-To: FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com
>To: FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [FREEvpFREE] Re: 100 Facts and 1 Opinion
>Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 02:14:49 -0000
>
>
> >
> > What a bunch of nonsense. You heard as well as I did at the

start

> > that it would be long, drawn out and very difficult affair, and
>that
> > American lives would be lost (Duh!) just as in any war. Those
> > bleeding liberals who make believe he never said that just can't
>take
> > the truth of the matter. And if you think GWB would EVER be

having

> > second thoughts, think again. His strength is in staying the
>course,
> > and he gets the respect of every human being on earth
>
>I think you are way off base on this one. We are demonized in most
>of the free world and considered an aggressor nation for

propagating

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>--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "deadin7" <deadin7@y...> wrote:
>an unnecessary war. Just as in times past, W spends time on the
>sidelines, cheering on a lost cause. As we speak, there are over
>1,200 american families who mourn a dead son, husband, daughter or
>mother in a cause that can't be won with current strategies. Beat
>your chest all you want, you can't escape the facts or the truth.
>
> >--like him, like
> > the war or not--for doing what he said he was going to do....and
>very
> > firmly.
>
>
>

[three2theroyal]

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "three2theroyal"
<three2theroyal@y...> wrote:
>
People who have had
to kill in war are generally hesitant to talk about it with family
and friends, you brag about it on the internet. You are a sorry
excuse for an American and a sorry example of a man.

What would YOU know about killing....or even combat??

Nose gunner /PBR. 1970-71. Mekong delta yacht club.

And those
people you 'think' you know who are 'hesitant' to talk ' or write-
about war-time killings are of the same rotten mold that your hero
Kerry rolled out of. My son and those in his Apache squadron came
back from Iraq recently with actual night-time videos of their

kills,

and none of them can stop talking about any of it.

To be proud of killing is a shame. They couldn't do it "up close,
with a blade" huh?

They are
deservedly proud soldiers--something you, who live in an obscure
reality of what this country means--are completely devoid of. And

BTW-

-I believe it's NINJA if that's what you were trying to cook up in
your anger frenzy.

Not angry, I spelled it right. Got screwed up in the post.
Again, were your kills in Scottsdale or Vegas?

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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "deadin7" <deadin7@y...> wrote:

[three2theroyal]

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "three2theroyal"
<three2theroyal@y...> wrote:
>
> --- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "deadin7" <deadin7@y...>

wrote:

> >
> > What a bunch of nonsense. You heard as well as I did at the

start

> > that it would be long, drawn out and very difficult affair,

and

> that American lives would be lost (Duh!) just as in any war.

Those

> > bleeding liberals who make believe he never said that just

can't

> take the truth of the matter.

> I think you are way off base on this one. We are demonized in

most

> of the free world and considered an aggressor nation for
propagating an unnecessary war. Just as in times past, W spends

time

on the sidelines, cheering on a lost cause. As we speak, there are
over 1,200 american families who mourn a dead son, husband,

daughter

or mother in a cause that can't be won with current strategies.

Beat

> your chest all you want, you can't escape the facts or the truth.

That's obviously a dose of liberal 'thinking' while never

listening.

You're more worried what those in 'other parts of the world' think
about us than in the words spoken by your President before we went

to

war. How quickly you choose to forget so you can come out and

critize

when you're in agony after losing. And leave it to the liberals to
pump up messages with numbers of American deaths. If there was

such

media capabilities during WWI & WWII then we'd all be speaking

German

as our primary language today--as violent a language as it is. But
there is hope. The majority of Americans see past all that

baloney,

we heard what the President said at the onset, and we trust him to

be

doing the right things that make sense because they do. If you see

it

as a lost cause that's because you want it to be a lost cause. The
fact is the people there don't see it that way, our soldiers

don't,

and no sensible person would.

To equate this excursion into democracy with either WW1 or WW2 is
ridiculous. They tried to do that with Vietnam and it didn't work
there either. I the world wars we were attacked and therefore
retaliated and became involved. W just wanted to vindicate his
daddy. Remember, ass-clown, no al-queda / Iraq connection. That what
the 9/11 commission says and that's also what Rummy says. Just cause
you say it over and over again doesn't make it true. And yes, I do
care what the rest of the world thinks of us. We share a planet and
an eco-system with them and it seems to work better when people do
things in unison. Are you some sort of Monroe isolationist??

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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "deadin7" <deadin7@y...> wrote:

[three2theroyal]

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "three2theroyal"
<three2theroyal@y...> wrote:
>
> --- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "deadin7" <deadin7@y...>

wrote:

> >
> > You're getting clobbered with this, but keep on burying

yourself

> so i can enjoy the show. Remember, I get enjoyment out of

watching

fool liberals whine and groan when they lose elections, seats, and
> > credibility. Keep it up!! PLEASE!!!!
> > >
> You are a sad man, Rob. You brag about murders that you claim to
> have comitted and you can't or won't even admit that there is a
> possibility that things that are going on are wrong.

Since when are enemy operative killings murder? Or do you wince
whenever you step on an ant too, and say the rosary to wash away
that 'murder'?

If you were Oconus, you had no enemy operatives, mac-sog boy. In
your own mind.

>This isn't about the election anymore, that's over.

Let's hope so. Maybe you can get racist Jesse Jackson to accept
Ohio's results. Maybe you can get fat boy Michael Moore to clam up
and accept a humiliating defeat.

I can't tell anyone what to say or think. That's the beauty of
America.

It's about the future of
> America. Liberal or conservative, we are all Americans first and
> foremost, and should be more concerned about doing what's right
than staying some stupid course. Rumsfeld isn't going anywhere, he
has bush's blessing and he thinks that this war was brought about
under false pretenses. I just want to bring our troops home. If

that

gives the rest of the world the idea that we can't be held to our
word, like the Nixon Vietnam fiasco, then so be it. Maybe that

will

> prevent this from happening again.

Bringing the troops home is the ultimate goal, but if we don't

show

resolve over there then we'll be walked over by every budding
terrorist in the Muslim world over here--and they will get a whole
lot of strength from our withdrawal. The only language terrorist
understand and RESPECT is power and violence. you walk away then
they'll just run after you. You hide then they will find you. But

if

you relentlessly chase them from cities in Iraq or anywhere else

in

any part of the world, then the message is that their lives won't

be

worth living with a major military always dogging them forever.
THAT's what we're doing in IRAQ, and that's why we must stay the
course. It's not pretty, and no one ever said it would be. We're

in

WWIII today, and it will get worse for many years to come before

it

gets better.

In order for it to be a world war, doesn't the world have to be
involved. This is nothing but another chapter in the crusades. The
same thing has been going on for a long time. History may well
remember this as the W crusade ranking way up there with the
childrens crusade. If we would have left the middle east after
Desert Storm, as big george said we would, then 9/11 wouldn't have
happened. This is all about religion. No infidels on holy land. God,
Rob, read your history books!! Those who don't learn from the past
are destined to repeat it.

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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "deadin7" <deadin7@y...> wrote:

[three2theroyal]

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "pesach kremen"
<royalflush2222@h...> wrote:

> I agree with three2theroyal. Many do not believe that President
Bush did the right thing in invading IRAQ.

This is your first problem that makes what you say irrelevant.

You're

stating this like it's the majority opinion and it clearly,
unequivocally is not. If so, your boy Kerry would have won.

This is fact whether you personally agree
> or disagree with the President. We are beiong criticisized in

many

places, thuis there isn't world agreement for our actions, be they
right or wrong.

Your next problem is that you would seem to prefer we check with

the

rest of the world on whether our affairs are being handled 'to

their

approval' before we begin.

You are a monkey-boy. Us against the world won't work. We can't
afford it. If bush keeps giving money back to his "base" and
increasing the burden on the dwindling middle-class, then where is
this money coming from?

That's a poor excuse for leadership and
dangerous to the USA. We alone are the superpower, and we alone

must

make decisions based on situations that account for our well-being.

Might makes right. Sounds very romanesque to me. Throughout history,
every "superpower" has crumbled. The greeks, romans, egyptians,
brits and the germans. We may well be in the declining days of
our "empire" when we believe that all that matters in the world is
what we think.

The remainder of your post deals with indecision, sour grapes, and
criticizm without merit. Remember what I said: These Muslim

animals

respect power and violence only.

Wrong ass-clown, if we would have vacated the muslim "holy lands"
after desert storm, as we said we would, this probably wouldn't have
happened.

To approach them any other way means
surrender.
>

Why don't we just let them handle their own problems rather than
making them our problems. America has enough problems of it's own to
deal with. I would rather build more firehouses and police stations
here than in I raq. The quality of life issue in America is big and
many don't think it should be ignored so that people in third-world
nations can have our way of life. We can't affort it, plain and
simple.

···

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "deadin7" <deadin7@y...> wrote:

[Dan_Cox]

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "three2theroyal"
<three2theroyal@y...> wrote:

> People who have had
> to kill in war are generally hesitant to talk about it with

family and friends, you brag about it on the internet. You are a
sorry excuse for an American and a sorry example of a man.

>
> What would YOU know about killing....or even combat??

Nose gunner /PBR. 1970-71. Mekong delta yacht club.

Great stuff. Who'd you hide behind then?

> And those
> people you 'think' you know who are 'hesitant' to talk ' or write-

> about war-time killings are of the same rotten mold that your

hero Kerry rolled out of. My son and those in his Apache squadron
came back from Iraq recently with actual night-time videos of their

kills, and none of them can stop talking about any of it.

To be proud of killing is a shame. They couldn't do it "up close,
with a blade" huh?

Wasn't their job to go about it like that. But the difference between
them and you is that they WANT to go back and fight for our country
again, and they likely will. You've become a sissified vet who, like
Kerry, is now nothing more than a failure who blames everything on
everyone else.

>They are
> deservedly proud soldiers--something you, who live in an obscure
> reality of what this country means--are completely devoid of. And
BTW--I believe it's NINJA if that's what you were trying to cook up

in your anger frenzy.

Not angry, I spelled it right. Got screwed up in the post.
Again, were your kills in Scottsdale or Vegas?

I'd love to get a few kills on the LV roads. Problem is I've not been
authorized to. There's always hope.

[Dan_Cox]

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "three2theroyal"
<three2theroyal@y...> wrote:

> That's obviously a dose of liberal 'thinking' while never
listening. You're more worried what those in 'other parts of the

world' think about us than in the words spoken by your President
before we went to war. How quickly you choose to forget so you can
come out and critize when you're in agony after losing. And leave it
to the liberals to pump up messages with numbers of American deaths.
If there was such media capabilities during WWI & WWII then we'd all
be speaking German as our primary language today--as violent a
language as it is. But there is hope. The majority of Americans see
past all that baloney, we heard what the President said at the onset,
and we trust him to be doing the right things that make sense because
they do. If you see it as a lost cause that's because you want it to
be a lost cause. The fact is the people there don't see it that way,
our soldiers don't, and no sensible person would.

To equate this excursion into democracy with either WW1 or WW2 is
ridiculous. They tried to do that with Vietnam and it didn't work
there either. I the world wars we were attacked and therefore
retaliated and became involved. W just wanted to vindicate his
daddy. Remember, ass-clown, no al-queda / Iraq connection. That

what the 9/11 commission says and that's also what Rummy says. Just
cause you say it over and over again doesn't make it true. And yes, I
do care what the rest of the world thinks of us. We share a planet
and an eco-system with them and it seems to work better when people
do things in unison. Are you some sort of Monroe isolationist??

Another liberal downfall is when they triy to equate Iraq with
Vietnam--which BTW was started by the democrats. So we were attacked
in WWI? So you choose to forget 9-11, and make believe there was no
terrorist connection between Iraq, people who visited Iraq, those
terrorists whom Saddam supported, and 9-11? God bless the world that
you are not in charge of anything but yourself! And God bless the
world that Kerry got the pink slip from the American people! Thinking
that GW just wanted to 'vindicate his daddy' is so far removed from
reality that you might slip off the deep end with that kind of lie.
And if you care what the rest of the world thinks about us when we
rid this planet of terrorists, Richard Potatoes, and those who would
want to control the rest of the world, then that's a weakness you may
never rid yourself of.

[Dan_Cox]

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "three2theroyal"
<three2theroyal@y...> wrote:

> Since when are enemy operative killings murder? Or do you wince
> whenever you step on an ant too, and say the rosary to wash away
> that 'murder'?

If you were Oconus, you had no enemy operatives, mac-sog boy. In
your own mind.

Here's a clue: First understand OCONUS (and they're all in cap's for
a reason). The rest you'll have to play tug-of-war with yourself
after you take your hands out of your pockets from playing handball.

>
> >This isn't about the election anymore, that's over.
>
> Let's hope so. Maybe you can get racist Jesse Jackson to accept
> Ohio's results. Maybe you can get fat boy Michael Moore to clam

up and accept a humiliating defeat.

I can't tell anyone what to say or think. That's the beauty of
America.

Did you see the word 'maybe' in there? I know, I know. Kerry taught
you how to skip words that mean something and make up a scenario that
might help him get elected.

> THAT's what we're doing in IRAQ, and that's why we must stay the
> course. It's not pretty, and no one ever said it would be. We're
in WWIII today, and it will get worse for many years to come before
it gets better.

In order for it to be a world war, doesn't the world have to be
involved.

If you've missed it, the world IS involved. Spain, Indonesia, USA,
Iraq, Afghanastan, Pakistan, Russia, Germany, Morocca, Brazil, Japan,
on and on.

This is nothing but another chapter in the crusades. The

same thing has been going on for a long time. History may well
remember this as the W crusade ranking way up there with the
childrens crusade. If we would have left the middle east after
Desert Storm, as big george said we would, then 9/11 wouldn't have
happened. This is all about religion. No infidels on holy land.

God, Rob, read your history books!! Those who don't learn from the
past are destined to repeat it.

No 9-11 if we left the ME? HAHA! That's the kind of attitude and
thinking that could end this world, and it's why GWB is President.

[Dan_Cox]

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "three2theroyal"
<three2theroyal@y...> wrote:

> > I agree with three2theroyal. Many do not believe that

President Bush did the right thing in invading IRAQ.

>
> This is your first problem that makes what you say irrelevant.
You're stating this like it's the majority opinion and it clearly,
> unequivocally is not. If so, your boy Kerry would have won.
>
> This is fact whether you personally agree
> > or disagree with the President. We are beiong criticisized in
many places, thuis there isn't world agreement for our actions, be

they right or wrong.

>
> Your next problem is that you would seem to prefer we check with
the rest of the world on whether our affairs are being handled 'to
their approval' before we begin.

You are a monkey-boy. Us against the world won't work. We can't
afford it. If bush keeps giving money back to his "base" and
increasing the burden on the dwindling middle-class, then where is
this money coming from?

Huh? Now you are talking about money? Over freedom from terrorism? I
don't have all the answers to why we'd be foolish beyond all reality
to worry about what the rest of the world thinks about us or wants us
to do about anything, but I trust GWB does know, and if it weren't
for him we'd be listening to the likes of Kofi Anan or Mandela or
Chirac....and we'd have another attack on our hands. Get real.

Might makes right. Sounds very romanesque to me. Throughout

history, every "superpower" has crumbled. The greeks, romans,
egyptians, brits and the germans. We may well be in the declining
days of our "empire" when we believe that all that matters in the
world is what we think.

I kind of don't think this superpower will crumble.

>
> The remainder of your post deals with indecision, sour grapes,

and criticizm without merit. Remember what I said: These Muslim

animals respect power and violence only.

Wrong ass-clown, if we would have vacated the muslim "holy lands"
after desert storm, as we said we would, this probably wouldn't

have happened.

You've already been labeled a fool for such a stupid statement.

> To approach them any other way means
> surrender.
> >
Why don't we just let them handle their own problems rather than
making them our problems. America has enough problems of it's own

to

deal with. I would rather build more firehouses and police stations
here than in I raq. The quality of life issue in America is big and
many don't think it should be ignored so that people in third-world
nations can have our way of life. We can't affort it, plain and
simple.

How much whining can you live with anyway?

[three2theroyal]

Rob, as this continues, I realize, more and more, that you are an
asshole. I was against this war from the start. Never supported it,
never will. This is wrong. I hope that your kid enjoys killing, he
will have more and more opportunities as this fiasco progresses. You
must be soooo proud.